Posts by The Fall Guy

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Even my old KH for sale...

by snare&racket in

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friends

i happened to be in my old town last week, i decided to drive past my old kh in n.wales,.

to my suprise there was a large 'for sale' sign hanging off it!.

this is a semi-remote area with the nearest other kh's a good 30 mins in every direction.

Back in the mid-2000's, Ron Drage (prominent UK Branch official) informed Brother Greenlees (very prominent JW in Scotland) that the organization had serious financial problems, but said he was sure it would be successfully dealt with.

Brother Greenlees shared this info with a dyed-in-the-wool JW who was also a close friend of mine.

The money-grab is continuing apace - must be due to the hundreds/thousands of new KH's being built for free in 3rd world countries. Isn't the generosity/love of "Jehovah's organization" wonderful to see!

Active JW's: Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I have yet to see/hear all the wonderful reports of these KH projects which poor JW's couldn't afford by themselves. Try asking your BOE to find out. :)

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Has anybody here had a pm from a newbie wanting to contact you away /meet up from this forum ? Recently ?

by smiddy3 in

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friends

if so pm me about it and we maybe able to compare notes .simon may be interested otherwise ignore this post ..

The Fall Guy

Welcome SarahEmily.

I hope you share some of your story and that you get encouraged and built up by comments and chats with some of us here. It may take a bit of time, but you will be glad you got involved.

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I thought this comment was interesting from the LDS

by joe134cd in

here is a you tube video made by a ex-lds member.. the comment made at the 5:48 min mark i found very interesting.. https://youtu.be/hjw4nazuzzy.

The Fall Guy

This is the restrained Catholic view on the "historic" meeting:

https://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2019/pope-meets-top-leaders-of-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints.cfm

The Mormons read a helluva lot more into it:

https://www.lds.org/church/news/president-nelson-meets-with-pope-francis-at-the-vatican?lang=eng

The LDS President Ballard said, “We could not have asked for a more fulfilling experience. We were grateful that he would receive us.”

Isn't it nice of God's chosen representatives on earth (the LDS' 12 Prophets) to be so condescending to the religious leader of a false religion?

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JW Convicted of Killing Mother and Unborn Baby

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

https://www.pottsmerc.com/news/man-convicted-of-killing-cheltenham-girlfriend-and-unborn-child-judge/article_3ad35162-3fa0-11e9-9998-0be53da6ea6f.html.

peace.

zing..

The Fall Guy

CHELTENHAM, USA - NOT UK.

Why is it blocked in EU countries?

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Do You Think The Bible Teaches A Trinity As Religions Teach?

by minimus in

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friends

i’m not asking whether you believe in the bible.

i just want your opinion as to whether you think the bible teaches it.

i don’t, for what it’s worth..

The Fall Guy

Since the Roman Catholic Church originated the formal Trinity doctrine, I feel that they provide the best summary of it:

"St. Jerome says, in a well-known phrase: "The true profession of the mystery of the Trinity is to own that we do not comprehend it"

"Moreover, our Lord's words, Matthew 11:27, "No one knoweth the Son, but the Father," seem to declare expressly that the plurality of Persons in the Godhead is a truth entirely beyond the scope of any created intellect. The Fathers supply many passages in which the incomprehensibility of the Divine Nature is affirmed."

If it's a mystery which is incomprehensible and entirely beyond the scope of all created intellect......

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JUNE 2019 Watchtower: Higher Education - HQ & Bethels are populated with evil, educated folks!

by The Fall Guy in

how alienated from jehovah and un-christian so many bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees!

i don't know how they can live with their consciences!.

pages 6 & 7, pars.

The Fall Guy

How alienated from Jehovah and un-Christian so many Bethelites must be, who finished their higher education and gained their degrees! I don't know how they can live with their consciences!

Pages 6 & 7, pars. 15 & 16:

15 A sister who has been in full-time service for over 15 years says: “As a baptized Witness, I had read and heard about the dangers of pursuing university education, but I dismissed such warnings. I thought that the counsel did not apply to me.” What challenges did she face? She admits: “Studying for my courses took so much time and effort that I was too busy to linger in prayer to Jehovah the way I used to, too exhausted to enjoy Bible discussions with others, and too tired to prepare well for the meetings. Thankfully, once I realized that being immersed in higher education was damaging my relationship with Jehovah, I knew I had to stop. And I did.”

16 What effect did higher education have on this sister’s thinking? She answers: “I am ashamed to admit that the education I pursued taught me to be critical of others, especially my brothers and sisters, to expect too much of them, and to isolate myself from them. It took me a long time to unlearn these lessons. That time in my life showed me just how dangerous it is to ignore the warnings given by our heavenly Father through his organization. Jehovah knew me better than I knew myself. If only I had listened!”

But all of you higher educated Bethelites didn't listen, did you? Shame on you!!

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Fearmongering : The greatest ploy the Watchtower Society uses against its faithful members

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

"shortly, within our twentieth century*, the "battle in the day of jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of jerusalem, christendom.

" (the nations shall know that i am jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.

fearmongering or scaremongering is the spreading of frightening and exaggerated rumors of impending danger or the habit or tactic of purposely and needlessly arousing public fear about an issue.

The Fall Guy

@ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - Doesn't the Bible say that things will kick off with those who claim to believe the good news being dealt with first?

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgement to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

@ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - If the title "Babylon the Great" allegedly represents all false religion, and BTG is the mother of the prostitutes, then who are the other prostitutes?

(Revelation 17:5) “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes...

@ Mr. Morris, (and active JW's) - When Revelation 7:14 talks about "the great tribulation," isn't it contextually referring to the same great tribulation mentioned in the same discussion earlier at Revelation 2:22?

(Revelation 2:22) Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation...

Doesn't this verse speak of the judgement of the Christian congregations and harmonise with 1 Peter 4:16? Didn't Jesus say that the great tribulation of Matthew 24 would never occur again?

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Wisdom Needed

by Solzhenitsyn in

2 things.

from your experience would you say that capitulation (going along with) and/or enforcement of all the ridiculous rules and sub-minutia (stupid crap: beards, wash the car for sat svc, no tight pants, paint the kh with a 2" brush vs. a 4" brush cause the boe says so) rules are primarily made possible or facilitated by the friendships that are maintained within the borg?

also, would you say you saw yourself as part of the power structure or subject to it?.

The Fall Guy

Utterly convince yourself that the CCoJW can't possibly be God's organization/people, by comparing many of their doctrines with the Bible. Once you open this cupboard door, other skeletons become far more visible.

Any mystique and reverential awe of the org and its "faithful slave" will pop like a bubble!

The more I researched & collated, the greater my freedom became.

PM on its way.

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One Liners

by The Fall Guy in

my doctor says that i need to have an operation to fuse the bones in my neck.

he said that after it's done i'll never look back!.

alcohol was my father's answer to everything.

The Fall Guy

My doctor says that I need to have an operation to fuse the bones in my neck. He said that after it's done I'll never look back!

Alcohol was my father's answer to everything. He didn't drink - he was just lousy at quizzes! (Milton Jones)

I was proud that my dad made a name for himself - although the police called it identity fraud.

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shunning of those who have "left da troof"

by resolute Bandicoot in

hi friends, .

can somebody please help me locate a recent thread that dealt with shunning of family members and the policy double standard, e.g.

jw.borg explanation that the family relationship is unchanged and the recent daily text that suggested that we should shun them.. tried searching but could not find it.. thanks rb.

The Fall Guy

@ At 1 hour 13 mins 26 secs – “Jehovah's Witnesses do not use the word 'shun' or 'shunning.' Disfellowshipping literally means “no further spiritual fellowship with the individual. The nature of the relationship then of a disfellowshipped person is not completely shunned, they can still attend the KH etc.; as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”

@ 4 hrs 11 mins 35 secs - “If a JW doesn't agree with certain things, they can walk away and start their own religion – or from within the congregation they can try to share their different thinking with others. Perhaps their beliefs will resonate with others in the congregation.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WaR3NkcTko